Comments on: Why I Oppose EFCA: It’s Not Business, It’s Personal http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/ Know More HR. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:52:51 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: DPH http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-71849 DPH Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:13:32 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-71849 Join up here in voicing your opposition to the EFCA: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=60499133739 Join up here in voicing your opposition to the EFCA:

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]]> By: Wally Bock http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-63190 Wally Bock Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:38:05 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-63190 Congratulations! This post was selected as one of the five best business blog posts of the week in my Three Star Leadership Midweek Review of the Business Blogs. http://blog.threestarleadership.com/2009/03/18/31809-midweek-look-at-the-independent-business-blogs.aspx Wally Bock Congratulations! This post was selected as one of the five best business blog posts of the week in my Three Star Leadership Midweek Review of the Business Blogs.

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]]> By: HR World » Blog Archive » Wednesday Links: EFCA, Leadership and Age-Discrimination http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-63102 HR World » Blog Archive » Wednesday Links: EFCA, Leadership and Age-Discrimination Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:21:24 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-63102 [...] I just don’t know enough about it — or know quite where I stand. But Frank Roche at KnowHR makes a great argument against [...] [...] I just don’t know enough about it — or know quite where I stand. But Frank Roche at KnowHR makes a great argument against [...]

]]> By: Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-62122 Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:18:36 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-62122 Ron, Thanks for the insight - helps clear up some of my questions. I still contend that forced arbitration is far scarier for employers, though. Chris Ron,

Thanks for the insight – helps clear up some of my questions. I still contend that forced arbitration is far scarier for employers, though.

Chris

]]> By: Ron Ulrici http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-62121 Ron Ulrici Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:16:07 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-62121 Chris, I worked in a warehouse, years ago. My best friend became my worst enemy over night because I wouldn't sign a card. I suffered terrible verbal abuse because of my stand. Most "weaker-than-me" employees will sign cards just because of the peer pressure, not necessarily because they want a union. When 3 goons show up at your house, you also might be inclined to sign. With the EFCA, many companies who don't deserve a union will find themselves with one. Ron Chris,

I worked in a warehouse, years ago. My best friend became my worst enemy over night because I wouldn’t sign a card. I suffered terrible verbal abuse because of my stand. Most “weaker-than-me” employees will sign cards just because of the peer pressure, not necessarily because they want a union. When 3 goons show up at your house, you also might be inclined to sign. With the EFCA, many companies who don’t deserve a union will find themselves with one.

Ron

]]> By: Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-62085 Chris Ferdinandi - Renegade HR Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:20 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-62085 Frank, I'm opposed to the EFCA, but I can't really wrap my head around much of the logic in your post. For example, why did your grandfather's steel union go on strike? That union existed for a reason. I find it odd that you would blame the union and not the organization for firing everyone and making steel overseas instead. Why do you blame the Police Officers union for your father's low wages? They don't set wages - a committee typically votes on public sector wages. What I find most puzzling, though, is the notion that a card check would kill you. I'm a firm believer that employers with unions typically have them because they deserve them. If you run your business the right way, people won't want to unionize. There won't be a desire there. And if they do, the arbitration clause if FAR scarier than a card check clause. Frank, I’m opposed to the EFCA, but I can’t really wrap my head around much of the logic in your post.

For example, why did your grandfather’s steel union go on strike? That union existed for a reason. I find it odd that you would blame the union and not the organization for firing everyone and making steel overseas instead.

Why do you blame the Police Officers union for your father’s low wages? They don’t set wages – a committee typically votes on public sector wages.

What I find most puzzling, though, is the notion that a card check would kill you. I’m a firm believer that employers with unions typically have them because they deserve them. If you run your business the right way, people won’t want to unionize. There won’t be a desire there.

And if they do, the arbitration clause if FAR scarier than a card check clause.

]]> By: Frank Roche http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-61735 Frank Roche Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:50:03 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-61735 Bill, I do think that unions had a time and a place. Certainly in the coal mines and steel plants of Pennsylvania during those days long ago. Hell, those were horribly dangerous jobs and the unions lobbied for safer working conditions. (Sad about your grandfather and black lung...that's just not right.) The point you make is my view -- it's not necessary now. Smiling about the take on AIG...you, me, and all our friends are paying and paying. In addition, I guess, to making a profit, we're also paying for AIG. Yikes. Bill, I do think that unions had a time and a place. Certainly in the coal mines and steel plants of Pennsylvania during those days long ago. Hell, those were horribly dangerous jobs and the unions lobbied for safer working conditions. (Sad about your grandfather and black lung…that’s just not right.)

The point you make is my view — it’s not necessary now.

Smiling about the take on AIG…you, me, and all our friends are paying and paying. In addition, I guess, to making a profit, we’re also paying for AIG. Yikes.

]]> By: Bill Strahan http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-61529 Bill Strahan Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:47:16 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-61529 Frank - like you my grandfather was in a union - coal miner in up state Pennsylvania - coal mining and the protection of the union provided him and my mom a meager existence, right up until it killed him by filling his lungs with coal dust. My Dad was CWA for many years and has the retire life style to show for it. The company that provided it is essentially done - gone because its expense structure and the liabilities of the long-term promises it made were unsustainable. Your spot is right on - FOR WORKING IN AMERICA AS IT EXISTS NOW. If we were in a more developing ecomony, if we did not have a civil economic society with OSHA, EEOC, OFCCP, etc... you might need some cavaeats. The fact is that we are not. NOTE: One error (omission) in your post that you might want to consider updating is that you are financing AIG out of your pocket at the momement as well. Along with Bank of America, Citigroup and GM. Frank – like you my grandfather was in a union – coal miner in up state Pennsylvania – coal mining and the protection of the union provided him and my mom a meager existence, right up until it killed him by filling his lungs with coal dust. My Dad was CWA for many years and has the retire life style to show for it. The company that provided it is essentially done – gone because its expense structure and the liabilities of the long-term promises it made were unsustainable.

Your spot is right on – FOR WORKING IN AMERICA AS IT EXISTS NOW. If we were in a more developing ecomony, if we did not have a civil economic society with OSHA, EEOC, OFCCP, etc… you might need some cavaeats. The fact is that we are not.

NOTE: One error (omission) in your post that you might want to consider updating is that you are financing AIG out of your pocket at the momement as well. Along with Bank of America, Citigroup and GM.

]]> By: insignificant thoughts » Blog Archive » Why I Don’t Believe in Unions http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-60881 insignificant thoughts » Blog Archive » Why I Don’t Believe in Unions Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:25:58 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-60881 [...] also Frank’s post on unions; it’s a real eye-opener as well; photo from John Edwards 08 on [...] [...] also Frank’s post on unions; it’s a real eye-opener as well; photo from John Edwards 08 on [...]

]]> By: Ron Ulrici http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2009/03/13/why-i-oppose-efca/comment-page-1/#comment-60812 Ron Ulrici Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:17:59 +0000 http://www.knowhr.com/blog/?p=1524#comment-60812 I just want to thank-you Frank for your heartfelt posting. I like your personal touch and your courageous stand on this very important issue. I'm also impressed with the profitability of your business (esp. as compared to AIG! Ha!). Keep up the good work and I will be working with you in the trenches on the left coast. I just want to thank-you Frank for your heartfelt posting. I like your personal touch and your courageous stand on this very important issue. I’m also impressed with the profitability of your business (esp. as compared to AIG! Ha!). Keep up the good work and I will be working with you in the trenches on the left coast.

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