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		<title>By: Frank Roche</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3634</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Roche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jodey...I&#039;ll look up some of the studies and pop you an email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jodey&#8230;I&#8217;ll look up some of the studies and pop you an email.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodey</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3632</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, agree with the premise of your argument.  Where can I review studies, journal articles, etc on the subject of relationship between GPA (and other academic success factors) and employement success?  Thanks, Jodey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, agree with the premise of your argument.  Where can I review studies, journal articles, etc on the subject of relationship between GPA (and other academic success factors) and employement success?  Thanks, Jodey</p>
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		<title>By: robert edward cenek</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3012</link>
		<dc:creator>robert edward cenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick:

Good point!

Can&#039;t agree more that this is a complex analysis.  That&#039;s why very good companies will go beyond the school - and the GPA.  However, most firms are in the business of minimizing risk with a selection, especially for those roles that will require a significant amount of training.  Under those situations, a solid selection process will look at some (and many of the following):

GPA
SAT/ACT
School attended
Academic load (4 year or 5-6 year plan)
Extracurricular activities
Outside Employment (filters slackers)
Community/Charity activities (filters slackers)
Results from robust behavioral interview
Results from selection batteries
Quality of interview

robert edward cenek
www.cenekreport.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick:</p>
<p>Good point!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t agree more that this is a complex analysis.  That&#8217;s why very good companies will go beyond the school &#8211; and the GPA.  However, most firms are in the business of minimizing risk with a selection, especially for those roles that will require a significant amount of training.  Under those situations, a solid selection process will look at some (and many of the following):</p>
<p>GPA<br />
SAT/ACT<br />
School attended<br />
Academic load (4 year or 5-6 year plan)<br />
Extracurricular activities<br />
Outside Employment (filters slackers)<br />
Community/Charity activities (filters slackers)<br />
Results from robust behavioral interview<br />
Results from selection batteries<br />
Quality of interview</p>
<p>robert edward cenek<br />
<a href="http://www.cenekreport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cenekreport.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3007</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exceptions to the success-in-school/success-in-life correlation occur throughout history.

Maybe the success-in-school/success-in-life rule of thumb works for 90% of the population. If it can&#039;t be reliably applied to individuals at either end of that bell curve, what&#039;s the value in applying an minimum GPA absolute requirement? Applying the rule of thumb, you&#039;re guaranteed that a certain percentage of the very best candidates will never get a job with your firm.

There are many reasons why someone might fail to do well in school. Sometimes the reason is related to a lack of intelligence or drive. However... perhaps what drives the individual occurs outside the academics continuum. Perhaps a psychological condition or events of great importance have affected their priorities, and they have a set of values that varies from the culturally-expected &quot;norm&quot;. Perhaps they are haunted by memories of abuse and feelings of self-loathing. Maybe they just don&#039;t take tests well. 

A GPA score clues you in on none of this - it&#039;s like trying to judge the speed of a car from a photograph. Certain professions will always require certified skills, but don&#039;t look at &quot;general performance&quot; scores as an indicator of whether a person will &quot;be successful&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exceptions to the success-in-school/success-in-life correlation occur throughout history.</p>
<p>Maybe the success-in-school/success-in-life rule of thumb works for 90% of the population. If it can&#8217;t be reliably applied to individuals at either end of that bell curve, what&#8217;s the value in applying an minimum GPA absolute requirement? Applying the rule of thumb, you&#8217;re guaranteed that a certain percentage of the very best candidates will never get a job with your firm.</p>
<p>There are many reasons why someone might fail to do well in school. Sometimes the reason is related to a lack of intelligence or drive. However&#8230; perhaps what drives the individual occurs outside the academics continuum. Perhaps a psychological condition or events of great importance have affected their priorities, and they have a set of values that varies from the culturally-expected &#8220;norm&#8221;. Perhaps they are haunted by memories of abuse and feelings of self-loathing. Maybe they just don&#8217;t take tests well. </p>
<p>A GPA score clues you in on none of this &#8211; it&#8217;s like trying to judge the speed of a car from a photograph. Certain professions will always require certified skills, but don&#8217;t look at &#8220;general performance&#8221; scores as an indicator of whether a person will &#8220;be successful&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: robert edward cenek</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3001</link>
		<dc:creator>robert edward cenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting study that specifically targets the GPA/Lawyer debate.

http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2007/06/new_evidence_on.html

Again....at the end of the day.... overall smarts are important.  Not perfectly predictive - but important.  Exceptions abound.

robert edward cenek
www.cenekreport.com
Uncommon Commentary on the World of Work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting study that specifically targets the GPA/Lawyer debate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2007/06/new_evidence_on.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2007/06/new_evidence_on.html</a></p>
<p>Again&#8230;.at the end of the day&#8230;. overall smarts are important.  Not perfectly predictive &#8211; but important.  Exceptions abound.</p>
<p>robert edward cenek<br />
<a href="http://www.cenekreport.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cenekreport.com</a><br />
Uncommon Commentary on the World of Work</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://www.knowhr.com/blog/2008/03/11/whats-your-gpa/comment-page-1/#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three points to the many excellent ones made before:

Know your culture - is it a smart &quot;kids are cool&quot;? Is it smart kids are cool if they are in the basement of the science building? Most places that is not the culture - its &quot;relationship people run!&quot; or &quot;working like a dog rules&quot; or &quot;numbers people are the new black&quot;. Hire for your culture not for management theories.

When I graduated from law school (I don&#039;t actually recall my GPA) I recall a very bright partner at a big law firm telling me it didn&#039;t matter because no one graduating from law school knew anything about the world anyway. It was all preamble.

Old joke: People who get &quot;A&quot;s in law school become law professors; people who get &quot;B&quot;s in law school become law professors; people who get &quot;C&quot;s in law school become millionaires. Bada BING - No YOU try the veal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three points to the many excellent ones made before:</p>
<p>Know your culture &#8211; is it a smart &#8220;kids are cool&#8221;? Is it smart kids are cool if they are in the basement of the science building? Most places that is not the culture &#8211; its &#8220;relationship people run!&#8221; or &#8220;working like a dog rules&#8221; or &#8220;numbers people are the new black&#8221;. Hire for your culture not for management theories.</p>
<p>When I graduated from law school (I don&#8217;t actually recall my GPA) I recall a very bright partner at a big law firm telling me it didn&#8217;t matter because no one graduating from law school knew anything about the world anyway. It was all preamble.</p>
<p>Old joke: People who get &#8220;A&#8221;s in law school become law professors; people who get &#8220;B&#8221;s in law school become law professors; people who get &#8220;C&#8221;s in law school become millionaires. Bada BING &#8211; No YOU try the veal.</p>
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		<title>By: BryanB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BryanB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of related points:

- In some situations GPA actually does predict job performance, albeit not particularly strongly.  See http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html

- Several years ago I did a study looking at how well quality of law school and years of experience predicting performance ratings among attorneys.  The only significant relationships were between experience and job knowledge, and between law school and getting along with others--but in the opposite direction (i.e., the better the law school, the worse they got along with others)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of related points:</p>
<p>- In some situations GPA actually does predict job performance, albeit not particularly strongly.  See <a href="http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipmaac.org/acn/aug98/techaff.html</a></p>
<p>- Several years ago I did a study looking at how well quality of law school and years of experience predicting performance ratings among attorneys.  The only significant relationships were between experience and job knowledge, and between law school and getting along with others&#8211;but in the opposite direction (i.e., the better the law school, the worse they got along with others)</p>
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		<title>By: robert edward cenek</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert edward cenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dudes in the suits are correct!!!  Job success is ultimately determined by many factors - in addition to GPA and overall mental ability.  We can turn to football to see analogies of this.  Joe Montana did not have a lot of natural athleticism.  He did not have a particularly strong arm, nor was he fleet of foot.  However, he used other abilities to help him in being one of the best QB&#039;s in NFL history.

Politics would be another good example.  Ronnie Reagan was a strong president, but he was hardly the sharpest tack in the drawer.

IQ is still a very strong predictor of job success, especially in higher level positions requiring critical thinking abilities.  Other things are critical - e.g., creativity, EQ, etc.     

robert edward cenek
Cenek Report</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dudes in the suits are correct!!!  Job success is ultimately determined by many factors &#8211; in addition to GPA and overall mental ability.  We can turn to football to see analogies of this.  Joe Montana did not have a lot of natural athleticism.  He did not have a particularly strong arm, nor was he fleet of foot.  However, he used other abilities to help him in being one of the best QB&#8217;s in NFL history.</p>
<p>Politics would be another good example.  Ronnie Reagan was a strong president, but he was hardly the sharpest tack in the drawer.</p>
<p>IQ is still a very strong predictor of job success, especially in higher level positions requiring critical thinking abilities.  Other things are critical &#8211; e.g., creativity, EQ, etc.     </p>
<p>robert edward cenek<br />
Cenek Report</p>
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		<title>By: albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I was reviewing resumes for new hires/interns and a GPA was on it (unless this was to be the first or second job applied for), I&#039;d put it aside and look at the ones without GPAs listed first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I was reviewing resumes for new hires/interns and a GPA was on it (unless this was to be the first or second job applied for), I&#8217;d put it aside and look at the ones without GPAs listed first.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the points made above; however, I do view GPA as an indicator (how good of an indicator, who knows) not as a measure of intelligence but as a measure of how capable someone is at doing things. For instance, if someone has a 2.3 GPA, I want to find out if that GPA is a result of not working hard enough, or if they were working three jobs to pay for school, or what. GPA may not be a measure of intelligence, but in general I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that hard to get a good GPA - if they don&#039;t have a good one, I at least want to find out the reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the points made above; however, I do view GPA as an indicator (how good of an indicator, who knows) not as a measure of intelligence but as a measure of how capable someone is at doing things. For instance, if someone has a 2.3 GPA, I want to find out if that GPA is a result of not working hard enough, or if they were working three jobs to pay for school, or what. GPA may not be a measure of intelligence, but in general I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that hard to get a good GPA &#8211; if they don&#8217;t have a good one, I at least want to find out the reasons.</p>
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